Someone with the ability to register .gov domains is trying to make a sneaky buck.
It used to be anyone with a fax machine could register any .gov but they fixed that when there was a news report about it.
I was curious about this, so for anyone else who’s interested, here’s a KrebsOnSecurity article from 2019 about how easy it was to fraudulently register a .gov domain:
It's because of the time value of money. Buying no is much like buying a bond.
It doesn't mean there's a 16% chance.
It's probably more attractive to gamblers when presented like this.
That's just gambling without any basis for reality though. Not sure if you're actually attributing any weight to random gamblers lol.
Taking the opposite side of this bet feels like a free 19% return on your money.
It's based on what Donald Trump (or any other US president, should it come to that) says, not on any evidence or ground truth beyond that.
The are motives for lying on this - for a start, if a president knows definitively they're going to say it, it's a free 81% return. Secondly, it's a pretty big dead cat to throw on the table to distract from any scandal and/or to keep themselves in the news cycle on a different topic.
Ah, the wisdom of the crowds (of gamblers.)
We know for a fact that the US government has no evidence of aliens existing, because there's a 0% chance Trump wouldn't have blabbed about it during his first term.
I mean, fair, but who says he'll be appraised and knowing about it at all?
This gave me a good laugh. I think you got auto-corrected from 'Chichén Itzá', to 'Chicken'.
If you go to the other sites down there (like Tulum) very often you will hear the vendors talk trash about Chichen Itza calling it "Chicken Pizza".
Didn't pick up on that when I was there. But I'll say that Chichen is definitely worth a visit and only about a 2h drive from Cancun! You can do a tour with a group like Xcaret so you don't even have to drive there yourself.
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Yeah… yeah… that’s totally what happened :)
New distraction is coming in! All eyes on this now!
Man, they really don't think much of their voter base or ordinary people for that matter.
Gas is $4 a gallon?
We have discovered aliens!
More like over $5.00 per gallon, but your point stands.
So normal Europe prices from before this thing.
It's up to $8.50 per gallon there now.
Are you comparing the same gallons?
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I think it's just normal taxes.
Depends on the country but around 40-50% would be taxes, climate compensation and other stuff, yes.
Still too expensive but not exactly going to bankrupt me.
$4.50/gal+ as of a couple days ago in Vegas. Probably higher now.
SoCal gas is at least $6.85 a gallon.
Not that high. In the 5s.
$6.84999 at the Shell station near my gym this morning.
$5.66 today at the arco nearby. LA fwiw.
Understood. This was in Manhattan Beach which is expensive for everything but still, that delta is incredible.
Actually, I noticed one near there yesterday on PCH (forget which station) was $6.89999 for the good stuff.
That would be double my cost of gas where I am from 2 years ago. That's insane.
Insane was me paying this much during the gas price hikes in the early 2010s. We aren’t even there yet. Adjusted for inflation thats probably $8 gas.
$5.5 in PA.
Cries in UK $8 a gallon
Your gallons are a bit bigger than US gallons, but not 2x bigger.
Assuming US gallons, $8/US gallon works out as £1.60/litre. That sounds about right for current UK prices, depending on what and where you're buying it. (Yes, fuel is expensive here compared to the US; that's largely down to fuel duty and taxes.)
WA state. I would be ecstatic if it was $4.
Same. I don't think I've seen prices below $4 in seattle since like 2021, with a few exceptions here and there.
As Trump said, people won't need to worry about elections after 2024...
I wonder if Hitler ever said that in the 30s..
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You realize the fall of the Weimar government wasn't instant, right?
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If you wish to divert from the discussion of whether free and fair elections is still possible in the USA, and would rather enter the meta-discussion, I'll bite, and cite Wikipedia:
> Godwin's law can be applied mistakenly or abused as a distraction, a diversion, or even censorship, when miscasting an opponent's argument as hyperbole even when the comparison made by the argument is appropriate.
I wonder if Godwins law and such did more harm than good in the end? I mean: yes, Hitler was a terrible person and Holocaust was horrible, but, by putting so much effort into convincing everyone that Hitler and Holocaust were so unique things in the history of mankind you’re basically creating a blind spot, where the resurgence of fascism goes unnoticed because everyone thinks “it can’t as bad as Hitler and the Nazis, right?”
I mean, the comment is based on what the VP of this administration said about the President.
And I think considering what this administration has said is important. Do you think otherwise?
Ahh, so this is how you stifle the warnings and discontent with the fascist capture of the government? The evidence doesn't matter as long as it's possible to derail the discussion?
Let me guess, similarly you apply "conspiracy theory" to anything you want to kneecap, is that right?
It seems to be an incentive for voluntarily departure
From an outside-US point of view, both of these links border on the satirical. The DHS one, with it's no-longer-funded/maintained banner, and the entire content, complete with the quote is just eye-brow raising.
I wonder if anyone did read through the accordian FAQs, especially this one:
> How will exit bonuses be issued to participants?
DHS is working with Project Homecoming partners on the disbursement of exit bonuses. Illegal aliens will receive the exit bonuses after they land in the country of arrival.
The delivery method will vary based on country-specific guidelines and regulations. However, no bank account is necessary for illegal aliens to receive their exit bonus. In most instances, illegal aliens will collect their exit bonus in their home country.
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Yeah, like _that_ is going to happen...
I had heard of that but it wasn’t until you posted the link that I actually read through it.
My question after actually reading it though is simple - how does it prevent fraud? Like you just need GPS and a selfie to verify. No bank account required! Since the nominal case is undocumented you don’t have ground truth to check against. What is stopping someone from using an eSIM, OpenClaw, and an emulator from self-deporting thousands of virtual persona at $2600 profit
It just seems poorly considered. I don’t know if they really thought this through.
The object is to create metrics that are plausible (or more specifically for which the knowledge of falsification is plausibly deniable), not to actually self deport people (although that could be viewed as a desirable side effect).
We can be sure that the weakness in this scheme is being exploited, since it was designed to maximise metrics, not results.
Objectively, which is hard to say because I’m just obviously not in this position, but if I were in the United States legally and I’m looking at three options…
1. I take self-deportation offer. At Christmas it was $3000 a person, but usually $1000, a commercial plane ticket anywhere, and I can come back to the US upon following the legal method. I can say goodbye to people I can sell my things. I can do this on my own timeline within reason.
2. I’ve risk it and trying to invade ice for the next three years minimum. If Vance wins, I need to make it to at least 2032 without showing up on any radar. I’m careful and looking over my shoulder constantly and work is a never ending dread.
3. I am caught by ICE. I have absolutely no claim to stay in the US. I can sit in a detention center while an NGO funded lawyer tells me that I do. And in high likelihood, I am sent back with no money on a cargo jet and I’m banned from the United States forever. This happens at any moment.
Practically speaking, I just cannot picture taking option two which could be three at any time. The fact is, I would know without a doubt, unfair or not that I am here legally, that my state would apply in any European country as well. I cannot fathom how option one is not the best option. Perhaps I’m too risk adverse.
"A commercial plane ticket anywhere" != the legal right to go anywhere
Pretty much you go back to your country of origin
Typically people take on the immense risk and challenge of leaving their country of origin to come here because their country of origin has really bad problems
Those problems likely still exist or have gotten worse over the last several years due to (if nothing else) COVID further separating the US economy from the rest of the world's
> Pretty much you go back to your country of origin
Is this not just? Is this not what every other country in the world would do? Is there a European country you can stay in illegally? Do any of them run remigration programs with cash and free flights to where you came from?
I didn't say it was unjust, nor did I say it was unique to the US, etc. etc.
I said that your logic tree elides the fact that they would be going back to a place that they already accepted an immense amount of risk and effort to leave.
In other words: for many people, the US + ICE risk (relatively low risk of catastrophic outcome) is still far better than their home country (high risk of pretty bad outcome)
>> Pretty much you go back to your country of origin
I'm completely out of my depths there, can you explain how will they know my country of origin if I'm undocumented?
Well if they don't, they'll just pick a random as-awful-as-possible country to send you to.
>A commercial plane ticket anywhere" != the legal right to go anywhere
Pretty much you go back to your country of origin
Most passports grant at least a medium term admission to dozens of countries, and long term to a few.
1. You will be deported to your country of origin one way ticket; there is no picking and choosing here
3. If you are detained by ICE even if you do have legal status they will endlessly pressure you into singing away your rights, you will be lucky to even speak to you NGO lawyer because every few days you are shipped between detention locations. Even if you choose to self-deport you have to be detained by ICE and could be in custody for a number of days before you are shipped out of the country. The lawyer is not going to sugar coat your situation but if you want to fight there are legal avenues to do so. Also you cannot be banned from the USA forever the max the DHS can issue is a 10-year ban
Your number 3 makes no sense, if you have “signed your rights away” why would they move you? For fun?
But let’s say that’s the case… doesn’t that just prove my point that if you are here illegally, that it make no sense to stay?
Them: If you are detained by ICE even if you do have __legal status__
You: doesn’t that just prove my point that if you are here __illegally__
They're talking about the now well-established fact that ICE is pursuing people who have legal status in this country and using all sorts of tricks (both legal and illegal) to prevent them from exercising their rights.
I’m sure there is a better example that makes the point you are going for.
Without muddying, the discussion is if you are here illegally, it seems better to self-deport and control your own destiny than to risk ICE for the next 3-11+ years.
Sorry to clarify. You are moved around the country continually so that it is exceedingly difficult to get in front of a judge and also speak to your lawyer. This is basically torture to most people, you are then pressured and repeatedly asked (in some cases lied to) to sign documents agreeing to be deported
The definition of being "illegal" in the eyes of the law is not actually really well defined at all. It is pretty much a vibe check
Entered via a port of entry and visa overstay? "illegal"
Entered via a port of entry and visa overstay, but now you have legal status? "Maybe you are illegal"
Entered not via a port of entry? "You are illegal"
Entered via a port of entry with legal status? "Legal but you might get detained for several days"
Entered via a port of entry with legal status but you attended a protest? "Legal but the government doesn't like you so expect to be detained"
Born and raised in the United States but don't carry your passport? "Legal but expected to be detained"
Entered via a port of entry with legal status BUT you have a traffic ticket and a bench warrant out of state "Illegal and criminal! Expect to be deported"
Might I add that only one of these above conditions is valid for deportation and a ban and every other is a violation of your rights
This administration changes its tune based on what business/tech leaders are telling them[0][1]. There's no doubt that ICE will be used for selective enforcement (as we've seen them used at American protests) but some immigrants are probably staying based on the reality that business interests are more important.
Also, I would be hesitant to say that immigrants being targeted by ICE are "illegal" as we saw some be detained/deported after speaking out against the war in Gaza[2]. Also, a lot claim asylum at the border which is a legal process.
> and I can come back to the US upon following the legal method
That process in reality takes a really long time due to the federal immigration system being strained. The 2024 border bill tried to address this by adding more immigration judges and asylum officers but Trump told Republicans to kill it because it'd make Biden look good. So far all we got was a massive DHS funding increase that allowed Kristi Noem to funnel $100M+ to herself and her friends and kill two American citizens with ICE.
Oh ya, I remember that. The Democrat bill with a few Republicans that conservatives call RINOs on board. Collins, McConnell, Murkowski, etc.
Again, objectively, it does look bad that bill was to secure the border but Trump Admin seems to have done that without a bill.
> Again, objectively, it does look bad that bill was to secure the border but Trump Admin seems to have done that without a bill.
This is a matter of simply breaking the law.
The border is secured in the sense that Trump has made the US such an unappealing destination that fewer people want to risk it. It's a valid strategy (if awful) except in that doing so essentially requires the government to violate laws.
Turns out it's easy to "solve problems" when you aren't constrained by laws. Not an insight whatsoever.
Specific laws being violated:
* Due Process protections
* Equal Protection
* Asylum laws
Actually towards the end of the Biden administration, they engaged in similar law-breaking because immigration was obviously going to be such a political liability going into the election. Those moves have since been found to be illegal: https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/district-court-strikes-d...
Most of the Trump admin's moves to make the US so unappealing that no one wants to risk coming here will also ultimately be found to be illegal.
1. If ICE isn't getting paid, how likely is it that you, as an illegal alien, would be? And who says you wouldn't simply be detained anyway when you go to claim your check/prepaid gift card? That's what happened to people when they were lined up outside immigration court and following the agreed-upon process.
I never get why people think these things will work. The only ones who take deals like this are honest people who are struggling. Criminals don’t self deport, they want to stay, not leave. It’s the same in Europe, they make laws to deport people for small bureaucratic details, honest people say “yes sir” and leave, but the criminals don’t give a shit, they just stay. So you deport the good ones and keep the bad ones, what the hell do you get from that? I guess the real point is that nobody in politics really cares about illegal aliens and criminals, they only want the power that comes from populism.
That thing in the lake in the China poster, is that some AI nightmare hybrid between a Japanese Shinto shrine and a Chinese pagoda (EDIT: no, it seems to be real: https://img.visiontimes.com/2022/01/hangzhou-ge36163601_1920... - it's just the color that looks more like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Itsukushima_Shrine_Torii_...)? And of course the Taj Mahal in the India poster only has one tower. But I wouldn't put it past the current administration if they really printed 100,000 of these low-effort AI slop posters. The designer probably got a boatload of money for them too, after all the extremely generous budget increase for ICE has to go somewhere...
I can't believe the official US gov posts these things. Between this, the CoD inspired war propaganda and Hegseth semi-irgasning on live TV while describing how they're going to kill and destroy everything "evil" we're really scraping the bottom. Is there anyone in these organizations who has an ounce of morality or humanity left? Or even just any sense taste really
That subdomain would go well with war.gov too :)
or dei.gov :))
How about deiz.gov
illegal.aliens.gov/deportations :(
quick-deport.aliens.gov for a shortcut link (pre-fill info with known browser fingerprints correlated to ID).
mass.quick-deport.aliens.gov (state-specific site for Massachusetts?)
Aliens tried to contact us, but Trump's DHS deported them.
I guess they need more money for an agency that burns it. Using conspiracies to goat the dumbed down public to get the ok to spend more money on a pointless Space Force.
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they are trolling us
More like distracting us.
They really want you to forget Epstein
What if Epstein was an alien all along?
adj. /ˈeɪ.li.ən/
coming from a different country, race, or group
My guess:
"Welcome to Aliens.gov -- a friendly guide and reminder to leave."
...
"Ya fired."
I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords.
impressive... very nice... now let’s see epstein.gov
More nonsense.
New Epstein files distraction?
What was that card game that supposedly predicted the outcome of the future? Was there revealing the presence of aliens in the deck? /s
I remember reading shady sites in 00s, where the other side claimed that govts around the world will get along on this idea and with help of elaborated holograms hoax will tell populations that aliens are here among us/are about to invade.
Here, in the mid-20s it's much cheaper to do that with help of AI. /s
A bot, sure, but also an extra terrestrial intelligence. Unless we’re talking a Stargate or The Magicians type of scenario where humans exist on a lot of different worlds. After all, they tend to ask you to prove you’re a human.
If they ask you to prove you’re not a robot, then we get into discussing sentient robots from other worlds.
What we’d be really interested in proving if we found proof of other intelligent life is personhood.
I'm not a gambler, but there should be a thing on those gambling sites on whether this is about extraterrestrial life or mexicans
Who said it’s a binary choice? Could have extraterrestrials taking advantage of our weak southern border to enter the country.
They're eating the cats![0]
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALF_(TV_series)
They also are eating stars apparently.
> Who said it’s a binary choice?
Have you not been paying attention to this administration?
Even better, then noone will be payed out.
Ask and ye shall receive: https://manifold.markets/benmanns/aliensgov-prop-bets (play money). I set this up so multiple can resolve and other users can add additional speculations.
This is so smart. Gambling with fake money.
I love the idea of polybet but would never invest into it. Gonna check this out
Exprience shows that braindead ideas are great moneymakers.
Oh my god.
EDIT: oh it's play money, good website
If it was about extraterrestrial life, there would be a massive insider trade and Polymarket would've climbed. It's been static for the past day.
https://polymarket.com/event/will-the-us-confirm-that-aliens...
According to Polymarket, there's a 16% chance US will confirm aliens exist: https://polymarket.com/event/will-the-us-confirm-that-aliens...
Someone with the ability to register .gov domains is trying to make a sneaky buck.
It used to be anyone with a fax machine could register any .gov but they fixed that when there was a news report about it.
I was curious about this, so for anyone else who’s interested, here’s a KrebsOnSecurity article from 2019 about how easy it was to fraudulently register a .gov domain:
https://krebsonsecurity.com/2019/11/its-way-too-easy-to-get-...
I haven’t seen any follow-up reporting, but it looks like the process now requires some semblance of identity verification:
https://get.gov/domains/before/
It's because of the time value of money. Buying no is much like buying a bond.
It doesn't mean there's a 16% chance.
It's probably more attractive to gamblers when presented like this.
That's just gambling without any basis for reality though. Not sure if you're actually attributing any weight to random gamblers lol.
Taking the opposite side of this bet feels like a free 19% return on your money.
It's based on what Donald Trump (or any other US president, should it come to that) says, not on any evidence or ground truth beyond that.
The are motives for lying on this - for a start, if a president knows definitively they're going to say it, it's a free 81% return. Secondly, it's a pretty big dead cat to throw on the table to distract from any scandal and/or to keep themselves in the news cycle on a different topic.
Ah, the wisdom of the crowds (of gamblers.)
We know for a fact that the US government has no evidence of aliens existing, because there's a 0% chance Trump wouldn't have blabbed about it during his first term.
I mean, fair, but who says he'll be appraised and knowing about it at all?
et.aliens.gov, mexicans.aliens.gov
It can do it all!
> mexicans.aliens.gov
You mean that 2023 "reveal"?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37494876
ancient.aliens.gov
A possible collaboration
Who do you think built Chicken Itza?!
This gave me a good laugh. I think you got auto-corrected from 'Chichén Itzá', to 'Chicken'.
If you go to the other sites down there (like Tulum) very often you will hear the vendors talk trash about Chichen Itza calling it "Chicken Pizza".
Didn't pick up on that when I was there. But I'll say that Chichen is definitely worth a visit and only about a 2h drive from Cancun! You can do a tour with a group like Xcaret so you don't even have to drive there yourself.
Yeah… yeah… that’s totally what happened :)
New distraction is coming in! All eyes on this now!
Man, they really don't think much of their voter base or ordinary people for that matter.
Gas is $4 a gallon?
We have discovered aliens!
More like over $5.00 per gallon, but your point stands.
So normal Europe prices from before this thing. It's up to $8.50 per gallon there now.
Are you comparing the same gallons?
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I think it's just normal taxes.
Depends on the country but around 40-50% would be taxes, climate compensation and other stuff, yes.
Had been over $7/gal in Menlo Park
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/menlo-park-gas-prices-...
My gas was $3.09/gal this morning
Still too expensive but not exactly going to bankrupt me.
$4.50/gal+ as of a couple days ago in Vegas. Probably higher now.
SoCal gas is at least $6.85 a gallon.
Not that high. In the 5s.
$6.84999 at the Shell station near my gym this morning.
$5.66 today at the arco nearby. LA fwiw.
Understood. This was in Manhattan Beach which is expensive for everything but still, that delta is incredible.
Actually, I noticed one near there yesterday on PCH (forget which station) was $6.89999 for the good stuff.
That would be double my cost of gas where I am from 2 years ago. That's insane.
Insane was me paying this much during the gas price hikes in the early 2010s. We aren’t even there yet. Adjusted for inflation thats probably $8 gas.
$5.5 in PA.
Cries in UK $8 a gallon
Your gallons are a bit bigger than US gallons, but not 2x bigger.
Assuming US gallons, $8/US gallon works out as £1.60/litre. That sounds about right for current UK prices, depending on what and where you're buying it. (Yes, fuel is expensive here compared to the US; that's largely down to fuel duty and taxes.)
WA state. I would be ecstatic if it was $4.
Same. I don't think I've seen prices below $4 in seattle since like 2021, with a few exceptions here and there.
As Trump said, people won't need to worry about elections after 2024...
I wonder if Hitler ever said that in the 30s..
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You realize the fall of the Weimar government wasn't instant, right?
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If you wish to divert from the discussion of whether free and fair elections is still possible in the USA, and would rather enter the meta-discussion, I'll bite, and cite Wikipedia:
> Godwin's law can be applied mistakenly or abused as a distraction, a diversion, or even censorship, when miscasting an opponent's argument as hyperbole even when the comparison made by the argument is appropriate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
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I wonder if Godwins law and such did more harm than good in the end? I mean: yes, Hitler was a terrible person and Holocaust was horrible, but, by putting so much effort into convincing everyone that Hitler and Holocaust were so unique things in the history of mankind you’re basically creating a blind spot, where the resurgence of fascism goes unnoticed because everyone thinks “it can’t as bad as Hitler and the Nazis, right?”
I mean, the comment is based on what the VP of this administration said about the President.
And I think considering what this administration has said is important. Do you think otherwise?
Ahh, so this is how you stifle the warnings and discontent with the fascist capture of the government? The evidence doesn't matter as long as it's possible to derail the discussion?
Let me guess, similarly you apply "conspiracy theory" to anything you want to kneecap, is that right?
Very mature indeed.
It's just going to be illegal.aliens.gov :(
https://x.com/dhsgov/status/2034000845503693180?s=46
There is this promotional campaign on-going, it could be related
https://www.dhs.gov/cbphome
It seems to be an incentive for voluntarily departure
From an outside-US point of view, both of these links border on the satirical. The DHS one, with it's no-longer-funded/maintained banner, and the entire content, complete with the quote is just eye-brow raising.
I wonder if anyone did read through the accordian FAQs, especially this one:
> How will exit bonuses be issued to participants?
DHS is working with Project Homecoming partners on the disbursement of exit bonuses. Illegal aliens will receive the exit bonuses after they land in the country of arrival.
The delivery method will vary based on country-specific guidelines and regulations. However, no bank account is necessary for illegal aliens to receive their exit bonus. In most instances, illegal aliens will collect their exit bonus in their home country.
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Yeah, like _that_ is going to happen...
I had heard of that but it wasn’t until you posted the link that I actually read through it.
My question after actually reading it though is simple - how does it prevent fraud? Like you just need GPS and a selfie to verify. No bank account required! Since the nominal case is undocumented you don’t have ground truth to check against. What is stopping someone from using an eSIM, OpenClaw, and an emulator from self-deporting thousands of virtual persona at $2600 profit
It just seems poorly considered. I don’t know if they really thought this through.
The object is to create metrics that are plausible (or more specifically for which the knowledge of falsification is plausibly deniable), not to actually self deport people (although that could be viewed as a desirable side effect).
We can be sure that the weakness in this scheme is being exploited, since it was designed to maximise metrics, not results.
Objectively, which is hard to say because I’m just obviously not in this position, but if I were in the United States legally and I’m looking at three options…
1. I take self-deportation offer. At Christmas it was $3000 a person, but usually $1000, a commercial plane ticket anywhere, and I can come back to the US upon following the legal method. I can say goodbye to people I can sell my things. I can do this on my own timeline within reason.
2. I’ve risk it and trying to invade ice for the next three years minimum. If Vance wins, I need to make it to at least 2032 without showing up on any radar. I’m careful and looking over my shoulder constantly and work is a never ending dread.
3. I am caught by ICE. I have absolutely no claim to stay in the US. I can sit in a detention center while an NGO funded lawyer tells me that I do. And in high likelihood, I am sent back with no money on a cargo jet and I’m banned from the United States forever. This happens at any moment.
Practically speaking, I just cannot picture taking option two which could be three at any time. The fact is, I would know without a doubt, unfair or not that I am here legally, that my state would apply in any European country as well. I cannot fathom how option one is not the best option. Perhaps I’m too risk adverse.
"A commercial plane ticket anywhere" != the legal right to go anywhere
Pretty much you go back to your country of origin
Typically people take on the immense risk and challenge of leaving their country of origin to come here because their country of origin has really bad problems
Those problems likely still exist or have gotten worse over the last several years due to (if nothing else) COVID further separating the US economy from the rest of the world's
> Pretty much you go back to your country of origin
Is this not just? Is this not what every other country in the world would do? Is there a European country you can stay in illegally? Do any of them run remigration programs with cash and free flights to where you came from?
I didn't say it was unjust, nor did I say it was unique to the US, etc. etc.
I said that your logic tree elides the fact that they would be going back to a place that they already accepted an immense amount of risk and effort to leave.
In other words: for many people, the US + ICE risk (relatively low risk of catastrophic outcome) is still far better than their home country (high risk of pretty bad outcome)
>> Pretty much you go back to your country of origin I'm completely out of my depths there, can you explain how will they know my country of origin if I'm undocumented?
Well if they don't, they'll just pick a random as-awful-as-possible country to send you to.
>A commercial plane ticket anywhere" != the legal right to go anywhere Pretty much you go back to your country of origin
Most passports grant at least a medium term admission to dozens of countries, and long term to a few.
1. You will be deported to your country of origin one way ticket; there is no picking and choosing here 3. If you are detained by ICE even if you do have legal status they will endlessly pressure you into singing away your rights, you will be lucky to even speak to you NGO lawyer because every few days you are shipped between detention locations. Even if you choose to self-deport you have to be detained by ICE and could be in custody for a number of days before you are shipped out of the country. The lawyer is not going to sugar coat your situation but if you want to fight there are legal avenues to do so. Also you cannot be banned from the USA forever the max the DHS can issue is a 10-year ban
Your number 3 makes no sense, if you have “signed your rights away” why would they move you? For fun?
But let’s say that’s the case… doesn’t that just prove my point that if you are here illegally, that it make no sense to stay?
Them: If you are detained by ICE even if you do have __legal status__
You: doesn’t that just prove my point that if you are here __illegally__
They're talking about the now well-established fact that ICE is pursuing people who have legal status in this country and using all sorts of tricks (both legal and illegal) to prevent them from exercising their rights.
Here's one example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_R%C3%BCmeysa_%C3%...
I’m sure there is a better example that makes the point you are going for.
Without muddying, the discussion is if you are here illegally, it seems better to self-deport and control your own destiny than to risk ICE for the next 3-11+ years.
Sorry to clarify. You are moved around the country continually so that it is exceedingly difficult to get in front of a judge and also speak to your lawyer. This is basically torture to most people, you are then pressured and repeatedly asked (in some cases lied to) to sign documents agreeing to be deported
The definition of being "illegal" in the eyes of the law is not actually really well defined at all. It is pretty much a vibe check
Entered via a port of entry and visa overstay? "illegal"
Entered via a port of entry and visa overstay, but now you have legal status? "Maybe you are illegal"
Entered not via a port of entry? "You are illegal"
Entered via a port of entry with legal status? "Legal but you might get detained for several days"
Entered via a port of entry with legal status but you attended a protest? "Legal but the government doesn't like you so expect to be detained"
Born and raised in the United States but don't carry your passport? "Legal but expected to be detained"
Entered via a port of entry with legal status BUT you have a traffic ticket and a bench warrant out of state "Illegal and criminal! Expect to be deported"
Might I add that only one of these above conditions is valid for deportation and a ban and every other is a violation of your rights
This administration changes its tune based on what business/tech leaders are telling them[0][1]. There's no doubt that ICE will be used for selective enforcement (as we've seen them used at American protests) but some immigrants are probably staying based on the reality that business interests are more important.
Also, I would be hesitant to say that immigrants being targeted by ICE are "illegal" as we saw some be detained/deported after speaking out against the war in Gaza[2]. Also, a lot claim asylum at the border which is a legal process.
> and I can come back to the US upon following the legal method
That process in reality takes a really long time due to the federal immigration system being strained. The 2024 border bill tried to address this by adding more immigration judges and asylum officers but Trump told Republicans to kill it because it'd make Biden look good. So far all we got was a massive DHS funding increase that allowed Kristi Noem to funnel $100M+ to herself and her friends and kill two American citizens with ICE.
0: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/15/us/politics/farm-labor-tr...
1: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5601588-trump-h1...
2: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/2026/03/17/immigrati...
> The 2024 border bill
Oh ya, I remember that. The Democrat bill with a few Republicans that conservatives call RINOs on board. Collins, McConnell, Murkowski, etc.
Again, objectively, it does look bad that bill was to secure the border but Trump Admin seems to have done that without a bill.
> Again, objectively, it does look bad that bill was to secure the border but Trump Admin seems to have done that without a bill.
This is a matter of simply breaking the law.
The border is secured in the sense that Trump has made the US such an unappealing destination that fewer people want to risk it. It's a valid strategy (if awful) except in that doing so essentially requires the government to violate laws.
Turns out it's easy to "solve problems" when you aren't constrained by laws. Not an insight whatsoever.
Specific laws being violated:
* Due Process protections
* Equal Protection
* Asylum laws
Actually towards the end of the Biden administration, they engaged in similar law-breaking because immigration was obviously going to be such a political liability going into the election. Those moves have since been found to be illegal: https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/district-court-strikes-d...
Most of the Trump admin's moves to make the US so unappealing that no one wants to risk coming here will also ultimately be found to be illegal.
1. If ICE isn't getting paid, how likely is it that you, as an illegal alien, would be? And who says you wouldn't simply be detained anyway when you go to claim your check/prepaid gift card? That's what happened to people when they were lined up outside immigration court and following the agreed-upon process.
I never get why people think these things will work. The only ones who take deals like this are honest people who are struggling. Criminals don’t self deport, they want to stay, not leave. It’s the same in Europe, they make laws to deport people for small bureaucratic details, honest people say “yes sir” and leave, but the criminals don’t give a shit, they just stay. So you deport the good ones and keep the bad ones, what the hell do you get from that? I guess the real point is that nobody in politics really cares about illegal aliens and criminals, they only want the power that comes from populism.
That thing in the lake in the China poster, is that some AI nightmare hybrid between a Japanese Shinto shrine and a Chinese pagoda (EDIT: no, it seems to be real: https://img.visiontimes.com/2022/01/hangzhou-ge36163601_1920... - it's just the color that looks more like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Itsukushima_Shrine_Torii_...)? And of course the Taj Mahal in the India poster only has one tower. But I wouldn't put it past the current administration if they really printed 100,000 of these low-effort AI slop posters. The designer probably got a boatload of money for them too, after all the extremely generous budget increase for ICE has to go somewhere...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration
I can't believe the official US gov posts these things. Between this, the CoD inspired war propaganda and Hegseth semi-irgasning on live TV while describing how they're going to kill and destroy everything "evil" we're really scraping the bottom. Is there anyone in these organizations who has an ounce of morality or humanity left? Or even just any sense taste really
That subdomain would go well with war.gov too :)
or dei.gov :))
How about deiz.gov
illegal.aliens.gov/deportations :(
quick-deport.aliens.gov for a shortcut link (pre-fill info with known browser fingerprints correlated to ID).
mass.quick-deport.aliens.gov (state-specific site for Massachusetts?)
Aliens tried to contact us, but Trump's DHS deported them.
they'd still be illegal so ya
We can finally be rid of that menace, Superman.
Probably related to the bear problems on the moon base: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3o-3pL79O4
If it's for aliens, why does it ask you to verify that you're human? This government makes no sense!
Interview with the Press Secretary
https://youtu.be/nCP3LZoxABs?si=2qspQFC-Imfwy2Ua
if u want to avoid domaintools captcha noise - https://client.rdap.org/?type=domain&object=aliens.gov&follo...
It's a cookbook!
And DNS hosted by Cloudflare. Who hosts DNS for other government websites?
All of .gov is contracted to Cloudflare: https://www.cloudflare.com/press/press-releases/2023/cloudfl...
cio.gov and trumpcard.gov are also Cloudflare.
Cloudflare has proudly protected Trump campaign websites for the last decade https://www.businessinsider.com/cloudflare-ceo-anonymous-ddo...
Okay or maybe they won the contract for `.gov` in 2023: https://www.cloudflare.com/press/press-releases/2023/cloudfl...
Of course it's gonna be the obvious NSA/CIA op hosting DNS.
They'd be stupid to use anybody else.
>obvious NSA/CIA op
there is so much you can legitimately be upset with cloudflare for, that i do not understand the need to exaggerate
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Remember, alien is also a term also applied to non-us citizen people.
Ah good. So the diversity program is opening soon?
I just realized that Alien Nation was a pun.
also alien.gov, why.gov, ai.gov...
Which will be released in full first, the X-files or the Epstein files?
Still waiting for trump.epstein.gov to come up...
proposal to rescind all naked .gov domains and redirect to .gov.us
Red herring?
aliens.gov is such a bait-y name. What is the requirement to register .gov domains?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.gov#Eligibility
I guess they need more money for an agency that burns it. Using conspiracies to goat the dumbed down public to get the ok to spend more money on a pointless Space Force.
they are trolling us
More like distracting us.
They really want you to forget Epstein
What if Epstein was an alien all along?
adj. /ˈeɪ.li.ən/
coming from a different country, race, or group
My guess:
"Welcome to Aliens.gov -- a friendly guide and reminder to leave."
...
"Ya fired."
I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords.
impressive... very nice... now let’s see epstein.gov
More nonsense.
New Epstein files distraction?
What was that card game that supposedly predicted the outcome of the future? Was there revealing the presence of aliens in the deck? /s
I remember reading shady sites in 00s, where the other side claimed that govts around the world will get along on this idea and with help of elaborated holograms hoax will tell populations that aliens are here among us/are about to invade.
Here, in the mid-20s it's much cheaper to do that with help of AI. /s
Anyway, guess it's "some kind of" distraction, again? /s
Illuminati? That game was ripper. Good times…
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Fuck CAPTCHAs.
exactly what a bot would say.
A bot, sure, but also an extra terrestrial intelligence. Unless we’re talking a Stargate or The Magicians type of scenario where humans exist on a lot of different worlds. After all, they tend to ask you to prove you’re a human.
If they ask you to prove you’re not a robot, then we get into discussing sentient robots from other worlds.
What we’d be really interested in proving if we found proof of other intelligent life is personhood.
It's to keep the aliens out
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